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  1. Thanks for this.
    I’ve recently started attending meditation classes at a Thai Buddhist monastery and I found what you’ve written to be very handy. Thanks a lot.

  2. Sadhu on this issue.

    Another title which I came across. I’m sure you may have heard of it

    Kruba. Does it signify anything?

    With Metta.

  3. Kru Pa

    Kru is ‘teacher’ – comes from the root ‘guru’

    Usually it is used with special monks, generally in the North. Not many moks get to be called this. It is not a given title, but a special respect given to monks considered to be particularly gifted in meditation attainment.

  4. Phra Pandit,

    Having lived for many years in Thailand, I still find I need to reminded that I can best show my respect for Thailand, its people and the gift of Dhamma by following traditions even when they contradictory to my own cultural and ego conditioning. As a Westerner in the East, it’s sometimes too easy to judge without recognizing that many of my judgements are based in Ignorance rather than Compassionate Understanding.

    An honorific title here, a bow there…Thanks for this post as a gentle reminder that giving Respect need not be require the recipient to earn the gift; rather, Respect can be given freely as a sign of humility, helping me to grow in the Dhamma by more fully living the Dhamma.

    With Respect,
    David

  5. With respect to the conventions regarding use of the honorifics ‘Ajahn’ and ‘Venerable’ in addressing ordained monastics, Luang Por Chah’s Thai Forest Tradition will use ‘Ajahn’ for monastics practicing the Dhamma for ten Vassa or more, and ‘Venerable’ for monastics having completed less than ten ‘Rains Retreats’. ‘Samanera’ is employed in addressing ordained (10 precept) novices, and ‘Anagarika’ for wannabees following 8 precepts.

    For female Dhamma practitioners of the Forest Tradition, ‘Ajahn’ is used in addressing those who have completed 10 or more Vassa, while ‘Sister’ is used for those who have completed less than ten ‘Rains Retreats’.

  6. At the recent Dhamma talk, the Venerable Jayasaro returned everyone’s wai, to my astonishment … and delight! Such humility from a great teacher… the venerable did not allow his status or robes to let him show that he appreciated and respected us mere lay people. What a wonderful thing … I was truly touched! The more he commands my respect.

  7. Yes, the Western Ajahn Chah group (not the Thai temples of the group) call monks over 10 Pansa ‘Ajahn’. But it is a bit confusing in Thailand where you are often called ‘Ajahn’ even if a layman, if you have ever or even look like you have ever, taught something. The nuns in that lineage also sometimes use the term ‘Ayya’ instead of ‘Ajahn’. I think they discussed it for a long time but in the end the nuns felt they should have the same title as the monks, rather than making a distinction.
    The term ‘Ajahn’ comes from the Pali ‘Achariya’ which referred specifically to a well respected Bhikkhu/Bhikkhuni of long standing. It can also be transcribed ‘Ajaan’ or ‘Ajarn’.
    I am not sure A. Jayasaro was not wai-ing the Monks rather than the laypeople. Normally the two groups wai separately for this reason. It is nice when the Dalai Lama wais the people, but in Thailand it is not the custom. When Mahayana monks come here and wai the Thai monks they are always very confused if they should return the wai or not. Of course, there are other ways Thai monks can and do return respect to the lay community.

    • All this hair-spitting and nit-picking over correct honorifics seems, to me, to be just a tad ego-centric. Skillful?

      Reminds me of the time I first met Yantra near Wat Rachatiwat (in the years before he was summarily disrobed by the Supreme Sangha Council) and I was instructed (by two of Yantra’s robed attendants) to kneel as Yantra wished to speak with me. I quickly left, leaving Yantra with whatever thoughts he wanted to share with me.

      Humility is very subjective and in all cases, a commodity very difficult for one person to impart to another. It must originate with the subject, in the subjects own time and manner. But, I could be wrong.

      • Indeed, nit-picking over the proper honorifics IS ego-centric, and needless to say the desire to be addressed in a certain way is of course ego-driven. Deep down inside, at the very core of our being, this is inconsequential. But alas, we live in a human world and come with personal psychological and cultural baggage. Most of the time, we just do not want to offend and we try to abide by the norms. The real challenge is of course to the one being honored… Does it really matter if one was addressed the wrong way? Will it hurt if we kneel or bow, or give an extra wai, etc.? These are but external manifestations of our INTENTIONS… and for as long as we have the right (proper) intentions, then mistakes can be forgiven.

        Addendum: I am reminded of a ‘gem’ that was shared to me by a much respected Venerable. He said to me, “Heirarchy will always exist… in nature, in society. It is a given. What we may feel sometimes is aversion towards heirarchy that is CONTRIVED rather than those that come naturally. In most cases, practice of discernment would be well advised.” Ah…Saddhu!

  8. Monks soon sort out who has been ordained longer than who…. but its no big deal between them.
    “Bhante” is fine to use alone without a name. Just that if there are a bunch of monks they won’t know which one you are addressing.

  9. Bhante, if monk comes into a room with a lot of other monks (or nuns) that he doesn’t know, how do they know who to bow to and not? Everyone is wearing the same robes.

    It’s interesting how actually should we use “Bhante”, because in my home country (Indonesia), many people put names behind it, like Bhante Uttamo, Bhante Pannavaro, etc, probably because it sounds endearing. I just call you Bhante, because of habit… just not used to use other honorifics.

    I have to learn though, actually I NEVER once talked to a real-life bhikkhu, mostly I just watch from afar 😮 , only one time a monk talked to me, but just to tell me where to put the plate I was carrying during dana.

  10. Greetings…I must say that I’ve been interested in Buddhism for many years & learnt the basic teachings of Lord Buddha when I stayed with the Asoke Community in Thailand. A totally life changing experience that has helped me to truly understand one’s defilements & sufferings…I owe so much & most grateful to the old monk from Wat Jittaphawan Buddhist College in Chonburi, who suggested I visit Santi Asoke, where I made so many friends over the years. One learns by doing, not just by reading a book & one who practices a skill over a life time…then becomes a master…The truth…Peace.